Hazel .

David Ordway married my paternal great grandmother, Fannie Alice Thompson. Two years after David Kelsey Ordway died, Fannie married a William Elliot Kennedy, my paternal great grandfather. So my connection to the Ordway side is just an asterisk — via a half brother connection.

Thanks again.

Unfortunately there were only drawings of John Ordway, but I have never heard him described as having been tall in the Journals, so I would guess he was no taller than 5’10”, and could have been shorter.

Sorry not to be able to help.

Hazel Green Pflueger

Mr Master Mason. My guess is that you are still on the porch my friend! I myself come from a line a Masonic families and have been looking into this subject, trying to learn more about this group before I joined. All you need to do is read a few good book about this subject to see what it is about. More informative books than Freemasonary for Gentelman!

I could go on and quote Albert Pike on his ponderance on lucifer being the light bearer in Morals and Dogma, but that is to cliche. Heyleel. Instead I’ll turn a few more pages within this book were he says

“That which we must say to a crowd is—We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees—The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.

There are numerous quotes from prestegious Masons that are similar to the above. Just listen to Manly P Halls lectures… I’m sure you can find them on line! Forinstance Manly P. Hall describe this two-dimensional organization of Freemasonry. Masonry is comprised of two distinctly different organizations, one visible and one invisible. Hall describes this two-level organization: [Hall was honored by The Scottish Rite Journal, who called him 'The Illustrious Manly P. Hall' in Sept, 1990, and further called him 'Masonry's Greatest Philosopher', saying "The world is a far better place because of Manly Palmer Hall, and we are better persons for having known him and his work"]. This is what Manly P. Hall said:

” Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity — an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect … it is necessary to establish the existence of these two separate and yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of ‘free and accepted’ men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most August [defined as 'of majestic dignity, grandeur'] fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious arcannum arcandrum [defined as 'a secret, a mystery'].” [Hall, Lectures on Ancient Philosophy, p. 433]

“When a Mason learns the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy.” [The Lost Keys To Freemasonry, Manly P. Hall, published by the Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, 1976, p. 48; Emphasis added]

Masonic rituals and teaching are intertwined with the Occult, they have many similar rituals, In fact the O.T.O is an off shot of the lodge. I think it it hilarious that many profanes read and have more “knowledge” on this subject than the actual Brethren!